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Poster: Lou Davenport Date: Sep 24, 2011 8:49am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Quick comparison of original Europe 72 and complete set

I just did an A-B-A-B-A comparison of China > Rider from the original Europe 72 release and the recording of the same tracks from the Paris 5-3-72 concert in Europe 72 Complete.

Just to be sure, I confirmed what had already been established--that the Europe 72 China > Rider does indeed come from that concert (rather than from the next night in Paris). There are a number of places where Jerry's licks are the same in the two recordings.

Sound quality is incomparably better in Europe 72 Complete. The original release sounds muddy and congested, while the new one has better bass and treble extension, and each instrument is more distinct with more air between them.

Given the difference in sound quality, it was hard to draw definite conclusions about the mix. It seemed to me like Bob was a bit higher and Jerry a bit lower in the original. If Keith was higher in the original, it wasn't by a huge amount I don't think. I certainly heard more of Bill in the new release, but that could have stemmed mostly from the better sound quality overall.

I'm relieved to report that the new release doesn't use the studio overdubbed vocals on those two tracks. There's more reverb on the vocals in the original release. They also just sounded different throughout. I was concerned differences in sound quality could have been affecting my memory, but when Jerry sings Diamond-Eyed Jack in the new release, he definitely sings the first syllable sharp for effect, while he doesn't in the overdubbed vocal from the original release.

The original release clocks in at 10:22 (622 seconds) from the first note to the climactic striking of the last note (which I figured I could time more precisely than the end of the disorganized decrescendo that follows). The new release clocks in at 10:30 (630 seconds). Assuming the new release is time-correct, that corresponds to the original running 1.2% fast, which is about what other people have reported.

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Poster: elbow1126 Date: Sep 24, 2011 10:08am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Quick comparison of original Europe 72 and complete set

Lou I think the China has the original vocals but the Rider has the overdubbed vocals. Jeffrey Norman said as much in this interview.

http://www.dead.net/features/news/checking-again-europe-72-mixing-engineer-jeffrey-norman

I didn't do the A-B comparison but the harmonies on the Rider are way too clean to be live.

He mentions a Jack Straw that the overdub was left in because Bob sang Jerry's lyrics or something like that.

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Poster: Lou Davenport Date: Sep 24, 2011 1:01pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Quick comparison of original Europe 72 and complete set

Thanks, Elbow. That would explain it, as it was indeed the vocal harmonies on Rider that had me wondering whether there was any difference between the two versions. Did you get a sense from the interview whether it was just a few occasional uses of the overdubs but that the new set is mostly the real vocals? And flubs or no, I wish they had used the real vocals throughout. They are concert recordings, after all.

EDIT: Just listened to the mp3. Fascinating that I happened to pick a pair of tracks that had some real and some overdubbed vocals. Nice to hear Norman say that whenever real vocals were still on the tapes and usable, they were used. Would be nice to get an accounting eventually of when that wasn't the case.

This post was modified by Lou Davenport on 2011-09-24 20:01:56

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Poster: Dead Surfer Date: Sep 24, 2011 3:03pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Quick comparison of original Europe 72 and complete set

They did the same thing with the Eyes on Without a Net. I had that 3-29-90 Nassau 1st gen tape soon after the show. When Without a Net came out I noticed first time listening to vocal harmonies on Eyes.

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Poster: RBNW....new and improved! Date: Sep 24, 2011 7:17pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Quick comparison of original Europe 72 and complete set

No one's noticed but the band's all packed and gone
Was it ever here at all?

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Poster: bluedevil Date: Sep 24, 2011 10:27pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Quick comparison of original Europe 72 and complete set

From the sigs of ticket sales for Furthur at the Monterey County Fairgrounds, they are long gone and NO ONE cares... Very bleak box office.